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I am on STRIKE
I will not pariticipate in a website that promotes gaming, rewards gamers, and penalizes the average user who is trying to make it to the top following the rules.
I am asking others to join my strike, I will not wager another dollar until Hubdub deletes his account and bans any other accounts he attempts to use. Nigel and the admins can decide for the better of Hubdub whether they want to keep gamers or real users. People who try to benefit the community or others who mock its rules. I am not going to cash in any positions to affect any markets. I will continue to comment where appropriate, and watch markets movement. I will still notify Hubdub of markets in which gaming is detected (although they won't do anything about it), and request settlement in markets that need settled.
I am asking others to join my strike, I will not wager another dollar until Hubdub deletes his account and bans any other accounts he attempts to use. Nigel and the admins can decide for the better of Hubdub whether they want to keep gamers or real users. People who try to benefit the community or others who mock its rules. I am not going to cash in any positions to affect any markets. I will continue to comment where appropriate, and watch markets movement. I will still notify Hubdub of markets in which gaming is detected (although they won't do anything about it), and request settlement in markets that need settled.
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I have this problem, too!
Tell me when someone solves it.
The more people who report this problem, the more it gets noticed.
The more people who report this problem, the more it gets noticed.
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Inappropriate?i have already said i will do the same and i have tried to explain they r alienating many users for one..but its their site so my only choice is no patricipation..i was willing to do what i could to help what i thought was a site trying to do the right thing but i must have a different idea of what the right thing is..the sentence by administration about being fair to him completely blew my mind
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Inappropriate?Thank you crudsy. Well so far that is 2 of the top 5 users. Lets see who else decides to join in. I wonder how far Hubdub is willing to go to protect an obvious gamer. My problem is that they pretend they didn't know he was gaming. I personall talked to 3 different category admins they all claimed they knew about this user and were watching.
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Inappropriate?Good points. But, "going on strike" won't work.
I've tried the same approach with another community-centered site, and it definitely didn't work. Their response was, "So what? Who are you anyway?"
Plus, look at your odds. HD has 5547 users. I'm guessing an effective strike would have to involve more than half of those users.
Or, maybe it's just the top leaderboard users -- those of us that are in Satyaki's "league" -- that even care that he cheats because we are near him in H$ and standings. The top 20 leaderboards only include .3% of HD's total users. Meaning, if we strike....so what? HD will still have 99.7% of their users to replace us. So, good luck with that.
I sympathize with you, and I agree with your that Satyaki should be BANNED. But, there has to be a more effective way then "going on strike" to convince HD that they should take a more aggressive stance against gamers.
I've got lots of good ideas that would definitely be effective, and might even be "news-worthy" (oh, the irony!), but my halo keeps getting in the way.
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I’m finally back on the leaderboards! Reset THAT! Hehe!
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Inappropriate?Good point. But the important part is whether the site will have that mentality in which honest users will see what the site is about. This is a time for the admins at hubdub to decide in which direction that wish to go. Do they want a large number of users which can game and cheat the site, use all the cool social networking features, or do they want to appeal to the honest users, who found this site refreshing, a news forecasting site that allowed highly intelligent people a forum to share thier addiction of news with others. I believe if enough high profile people stand up and say, we don't want gamers on this site, they will not say so what, but will respond by giving our site back to us.
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Inappropriate?this is fake money..i do it for fun..if somebody is allowed to cheat to get to the same place i am then it is not fun for me anymore and if they dont care then they dont care..i have to put in double the time as a cheater because he has easy access..destry and i have been here from the start trying to make the site better..if they dont need or want us anymore fine by me..i was the one with the most to lose when they were going to reset but i tried to make it work for the site to grow with suggestions and stuff..if theyd rather have a cheater on here and on the leaderboard then thats their choice but im going to say what i think is right
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Inappropriate?Interesting. HD launched in January, had over 4900 users by mid-February, but only gained about 600 users since mid-February.
Hmmm......
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Inappropriate?Yeah even more interesting is that as the site gets away from focusing on ways to improve the news side of the site and goes after making the site look more slick and adds social networking features, the site is not attracting as many users. I think what they are seeing is that people want a news forecasting website, we have enough of the other sites, and since they didn't ask the community what improvement we wanted, they introduced a bunch of things that no one seems to care about and took time away from doing what they could to make the site run better. I still miss the original home screen, it was all about news, not all these pictures and graphics.
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Inappropriate?I don't consider user satyaki competition in any form.
I get a strange smirk on my face when I see him on the leaderboards.
He is a cheat. He readily admitted it. He continues to do so after promising not to do so. He flaunts it in our faces.
I promised jenniandboys that I would refrain from any further comments on the issue within the hubdub comment boards. I agree that to escalate to a mini-war (on hubdub.com) will do the site more harm than good.
But I also believe that 'punishing' satyaki so minimally does reflect poorly on all of us. And that is bothering me.
I’m frustrated that more hasn't been done to satyaki
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Inappropriate?I think that allowing cheaters to continue to participate is doing the site more harm than good.
The scarlet letter treatment is like a slap on the hand, and a slap to the face for the rest of us.
Admins, please.....
LOCK cheaters' accounts. Prevent them from bidding, creating questions, and sending shout-outs.
BAN cheaters' IP addresses and email accounts. Prevent cheaters from creating new accounts as much as possible.
BAN the types of questions that allowed cheaters to cheat in the first place.
It seems pretty simple. Granted, I've never been an administrator of a public website, and I don't have much experience in internet security, but these are my best guess resolutions that can be handled on the applications side.
Humor me.
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Inappropriate?yawns, lights cigarette, sips coffee
walks over behind crudsy
YEAH WHAT CRUDSY SAID
sips coffee
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Inappropriate?I am like you guys. I have been a loyal user since the start! I have sent them dozens of compliments and suggestions and encouraging emails and thank them profusely for their tight controls over the site and building such a fantastic news predicting site, it's awesome and I love it, always have!
But their lack of ethics has me utterly bugged and I am terribly dismayed! I feel like my last 3 months of helping them build a strong website has been for naught, that all my hard work creating questions and encouraging other users has been for naught, that all of my telling my friends and co-workers and my relatives has been a total waste of time.
I am just truthfully very sad about this right now. I was having such a ball and then 48 hours ago, it's like my fun on this site hit a brick wall!
I loved the comments people would leave for me, the fun I had debating people on my questions' outcome likelihood and theirs too, now I am just frankly dismayed and perplexed at the absolute obvious fact that Satyaki cheats, the admins ADMITTED IT and Stayaki ADMITTED IT and yet we are the one's being punished for it?!?!
What gives? Have the people running this absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION? Do they ever expect to take this puppy public? They are crazy if they think that a cheated and screwed up site can make money in the long run, cause people WILL abandon it if they see it is of no use to try and predict things if your next door neighbor just cheats!
Explain them doing this kind of treatment to legit playes?
But I suspect they are just power trippin' and unwilling to listen to people who truly love the site, as it may be a sign of weakness. I dunno, I am just very upset!
I’m On Strike!!!
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Inappropriate?Somehow I completely missed this whole Satyaki cheating episode. Can someone please clue me in on the details of what happened? Thanks! -
Inappropriate?Hahahaha .... Thanks for lightening the mood "searcher" :-P
Got an extra cig for me man? ... I could use one right about now :-D
I’m Hehehe
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Inappropriate?Well it has been going on for a while. His account was penalized by 50% once before for gaming. He has continued to do it, creating many questions in which either the outcome was already known (roadies), or creating questions in which starting odds were way off, then profiting from them. Many admins were told all along, as each form of gaming was noticed, admins claimed to be watching. Finally while researching the new questions created, I noticed a distrubing pattern, and then rohan posted a question in which many links were posted showing obvious signs of gaming. Emails were sent to hubdub admins, and they were "looking" into it. What many users quickly saw as gaming and cheating, the admins took a while to determine, and then there big action was to do nothing more than post a silly message on his account, saying he was suspected of cheating. Most of us users have been growing dissatisfied with the lack of action, and finally after seeing that Nigel proposed ridiculous rules in which his account would not be penalized, we have reached the limit of tolerances. I decided at that point after reading many comments from other users that a STRIKE was necessary. If the hubdub admins decide they want to keep satayki, they the do so at the cost of other users. We are leaving this in the hands of Hubdub admins. They can simply ban his account, ban his IP, delete any future accounts he attempts to open or that are opened, and return the focus of Hubdub to creating a website that caters to the honest users.
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Inappropriate?This isn't about cricket it is about gaming, it is about cheating. . Take your behavior to another website where people can think you are "cool"... I have no time or energy to put up with your behavior. If hubdub allows you to continue on thier site, I will not participate. I am not alone.
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Inappropriate?Been on this site since January and don't usually pay much attention to the getsatisfaction side of things, but i somehow stumbled upon this thread.
This seems ridiculous- the whole thing is pointless, h$ meaningless, etc. if known gaming is allowed. It just seems so obvious that satyaki should be gone.
It's really pretty simple- if admins are willing to sacrifice the integrity of the site then there's no point in participating and hubdub will die. :(
I’m really not sure why the obvious isn't being done.
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Inappropriate?I'm still waiting
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Inappropriate?I urge all members who would want to get into a debate with sd, that what he is obviously looking for is debate. I choose to associate with those players in which I have respect. So for those that wish to feed into his need for attention, do so at your own risk, I hope you do it on another thread, I don't want this one getting watered down with the rantings of a cheater.
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Inappropriate?For anyone want to reach me privately feel free to do so at yahoo, screen name destry71, aim screen name destry28, or email destry71@gmail.com
I look forward to hearing more from everyone. I guess we will have to decide on sayings for the signs, and determine who is going to picket the offices at what time.
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Inappropriate?Markov, go to thise link and you will learn EVERYTHING about this terrible episode in the short but glorious history of hubdubland:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Why_is...
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http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
Satyaki has caused such an uproar that some 130 comments have been posted from users angry about the admins not banning this kid for blatant cheating and then mocking us all by not only admitting to it, but then doing it again and again!
Read some of the posts, you'll get the full story, I promise you!
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Inappropriate?I AGREE Rob!
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Inappropriate?Instead of learning about cricket, you need a good spanking by your parents, then be sent to military school where you can hopefully mature and learn what real grown ups do :-)
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Inappropriate?You falsely assume you are worthy of a response.
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Inappropriate?The funny part is that people here don't even know what they are talking about !!
Ask yourself this question -
Have you any idea of why the Badshah questions were considered gaming ?
Do you even know who the Lahore Badshahs are ?
Do you know how much money was involved in these questions ?
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Inappropriate?I agree ... Something that always works on little boys is to just ignore their childish behavior, and eventually they tire and wander off somewhere else.
Destry, I am looking forward to the admins waking up in the morning and seeing how out of hand the cheating has gotten and ban this little guy for good!
I agree with all your postings, you deserve to be one of the top dogs in this game, and yano what? I don't think there's many people on hubdub now, who don't realize that #4 on the list is not actually a player :-)
Even mom's playing this game have realized to skip over #4 and read the rest of the leader board, devoid of an sd.
I’m Enjoying the moments to the Banning of a cheat
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Inappropriate?I wonder if destry spends 12 hours on Hubdub ....uh..sorry ...GetSatisfaction.
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Inappropriate?mork,
Thanks for pointing me to the thread. It all makes sense now.
Advice to Hubdub: Admit you were asleep at the switch on this thing from start to finish. Ban Satyaki from the site. And put this incident in the rearview mirror with mea culpas as fast as you can before it gets any further out of control. Remember this: Sometimes the lynch mob is right!
I’m Just do it!
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Inappropriate?I've copied your email to my Notes on my MacBook :-D
We are fighting a good fight man! I say we blockade a couple streets leading to hubdub head quarters, maybe even torch a tire or two :-D -
Inappropriate?*130 comments from <10 users.
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Inappropriate?Markov,
Thanks for joining the revolt dude! We are glad to have ya :-D ... *hands markov a torch* We are about to march on the HDHQ with a big banner all in red reading: Long live the Kremlin, ummmm ooops, wrong protest march, I meant, Out With Satya! Out With Satya!! Out With Satya!!!
I’m tired of telling the admins right from wrong
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Inappropriate?Ironically satya means truth in hindi.
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Inappropriate?I'm makin' waffles ... Anyone want some?
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Inappropriate?Good job everyone, the conversation is remaining amongst the adults :-D .... I applaud you guys for sticking with the problem at hand and ignoring the cheats' remarks and not allowing this to get "watered down."
Check out this link:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
It has some great ideas for how to deal with this cheater and all future cheats. Some users have some great ideas for strict discipline, including banning him immediately along with his IP and email, everything, and if he ever manages to get another username and is caught, and he has a big mouth so I assume he won't be able to control his pride, he will be banned again and again and again.
Hubdub will right this wrong, I am confident of this :-D
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Inappropriate?Well it is self defeating if users create questions even if they are about this situation. The idea is to not create questions, wager on markets, until Hubdub decides if they want us as users. Please move any questions about playing Hubdub to another thread.
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Inappropriate?Proposed resolution on this thread: http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
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Inappropriate?This resolution is nothing more than a restatement of the policy that led me to go on strike in the first place. If you don't want to take serious action against a known gamer, who has not gamed the system once, or twice, but daily. Even creating questions after this latest instance.
I am still on STRIKE. I am so flabbergasted that the admins are catering to his behavior, allowing to take place. There are no rules against someone hacking your site and stealing millions of hubdub dollars, would we not ban a user that did that. Some acts require stiff penalties.
You are encouraging cheating. It is a slap in the face to those users who read, research, and do things honestly to move up the leaderboard. Back in the day you rewarded people for turning in cheaters, now you are rewarding people for cheating.
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Inappropriate?ridiculous...but expected i guess...Y DOES HE GET TO SKIP STEP 2..he must have pictures of somebody...oh well..i tried..that ruling does nothing but reward him still..all the time we have all put in to alert u guys and help this site was worthless to me...i wasted my time if this stands
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Inappropriate?I think when a gamer is found every user should be notified who it is.
If the entire user base knew of Satyaki's history the reaction would be overwhelming.
We may be a small group now but as this matter festers the truth is going to be spread.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?Considering the activity on this question; http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_h..., should it not be on the front page of the site?
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Inappropriate?@ Mork
That is because all Hubdub questions are restricted from moving to the front page. They are totally incomprehensible to new users and have no news value so we placed a restriction on them. Financial index questions are also restricted in the same way.
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Inappropriate?Thanks, Nigel! As a current lurker on this question, I appreciate how quickly you answered Mork's question on why this isn't on the Hubdub home page.
Could you point me to where you (or another admin) addressed some of the valid questions raised on the topic? I hate to comment here if you've represented somewhere else... OTOH...
buckeyeguy
I’m really confused on why a quality leadership team is letting this play out as long as it is.
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Inappropriate?@ Buckeyeguy
Proposed resolutions here: http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
Just a note on why I want to keep this open for discussion. We have users who participate at different times of the day and also participation at the weekend tends to be lower than during the week. Additionally, I noticed in some discussions the consensus shifts and people come up with alternative solutions. We could draw a line under this now but I think that disfranchises users who haven't yet had a chance to have their say.
To some extent this is a test case which shapes how we deal with things like this in the future. I can't see a lot of benefits and few drawbacks in letting everyone have their say. In the end we will go with the consensus so you shouldn't interprete not taking immediate action with not listening.
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Inappropriate?Again, thanks Nigel - for both the link and the explanation.
Makes sense. One of the reasons I tend to lurk is that I, too, like to absorb the perspectives of others before taking a position.
Reinforces my opinion that Hubdub *has* a quality leadership team.
[re-lurking]
I’m no longer confused.
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Inappropriate?wow! people actually go on strike here ...
I am new to this place .Hey everybody !
I’m excited
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Inappropriate?How fair is it to recieve 20 H$ every day when you are on strike, while the rest of us crummy players lose much more than that every day?
lol, just a light-hearted question....
I’m R*CH B*TCH!
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Inappropriate?I wish I could sit back, not bet, not lose money in other words, and STILL make 20H$ a day.......just jokes... following events closely, and I appreciate your passion....
I’m watching, and listening
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Inappropriate?Well that was an interesting read. Perplexed by the attitude
of some, enthralled by comments of others, enjoying the lite hearted humour in this, always a good balance.
Food & water for thought until I can formulate a decent opinion.
currently, I have been turned off of hd by the obvious gamed questions. Ya do not have to know how the sport is played or who is going to get pregnant to spot it.
next thing I know logging on today, there has been a srike and controversy!.
I need a shot of Dave Chappelle right now.
I’m gonna catch up on the events
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Inappropriate?Yeah, this is a funny situation ... Amazing what teenagers are capable of causing online huh?
*thinks back a decade* Was I this controversial as a teenager?
Man, when I was a teenager, ummmm, nope, I wasn't this controversial. I know I wanted to be, but nope, I was too cowardly to cause a public uproar, haha, and besides, my Dad would've whipped me to Kingdom come, hahahahaha :-D
Maybe that's what gamers need, like you suggested, 30 lashes with a wet noodle, hahahaha :-P
I jest, seriously I jest. Wait, is that possible? Can one seriously jest?
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
I’m Seriously Jesting!?!
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Inappropriate?Just want to provide an update. I am still on STRIKE. I will only return to Hubdub if the admins remove the user from thier site. They can choose to have honest users or cheats, they will not get both of us. To those that have supported this position I appreciate the support. I understand the feelings many are having. For the newer members that haven't experienced the months of the cheating being rubbed in our faces, I wish I had your youthful optimism. For the user that cheated I wish you well, I just know I can no longer participate in a website in which you are a member.
To Nigel and the other admins, this situation is growing out of hand. You have an amazing group of users who have amazing ideas, but yet you don't seem to solicit thier responses. Working with the community is the best way. You throw out an idea for solving gaming and then don't stay involved in the process. I hope that you are learning from your experiences, and will learn to rely on the community to help guide this website to a better place.
So again you are allowing some of your top users to sit on the sidelines while you do nothing. Please step in and solve the problems.
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Inappropriate?Just something I was thinking about :
Consider Nigel in front of his Hubdub Admin GUI, showing satyakis profile page with all the admin buttons like "Show 'Gaming Suspect Hint' on Profile" and such. Only one button seems to be disabled: The "Delete User" button. Explanation: Hubdub users cannot be deleted as long they have other hubdub "friends" connected...
I’m just hinting
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Inappropriate?i come back to check and hes still up there..oh well ill try again in a few days
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Inappropriate?i like the heated discussion... but is eliminating him worth it? won't the next one become the target? is there a way to bring him into the fold, with all of these disciplinary measures? I don't like cheating, but, in the end, we are a community.. and we will find a way to deal with him, and others like him, in the end...
I’m barely awake
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Inappropriate?I have joined the strike.
Hubdub has quickly become one of my favorite websites. Not much of a gambler, but I have been a news junkie for a long time. My favorite soap opera - "What will happen next in the continuing saga of . . . ?"
I’m sad that some knucklehead can hurt the integrity of the system.
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Inappropriate?Michael,
You bring up a good point, and the admins have addressed this very issue, at least in words so far, and they are asking for our input into this whole debacle.
At this link: http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
The admins are asking for our say in how this type of mess needs to be cleaned up in the future and if you read the posts on that page, you will see that MOST commenters have agreed with we strikers' position that if he is not banned, then he needs to have NO LESS than 50% of his funds taken away but truthfully he should be reset to $1,000, have his rights to make questions taken away, have his name on a known cheaters' page, etc.
I Am On Strike, pending a just disciplinary action, promised to be taken by the admins on Monday (tomorrow) and I am hopeful that they will be just and actually punish him rightly, whether that is banning him (best option) or be taken back to $1,000 or have 50% taken away. I trust that the admins will do what's right in this situation, however, I AM ON STRIKE as a precaution because I just don't know if they will, because, all they promised for tomorrow is a "solution."
So we'll see,
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I’m Cautiously Optimistic
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Inappropriate?Thanks again for your input. Proposed resolution here:
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Inappropriate?I commented on the link that Nigel posted. But want to post here again, that I don't feel this should be put to a vote. According to Nigel in his statement this is the 3rd time. I ask everyone to put forth a united front. What we want is simple, a system in which users are rewarded for being honest, penalized for being dishonest and management to be there to police the markets.
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Inappropriate?DO NOT participate in this sham voting. There is no transparency. The admins can now choose to do whatever they want and claim the community chose it. The details of his gaming will not be laid out in depth like they should be. I am asking everyone to NOT vote in this upcoming sham process.
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Inappropriate?you are getting childish, destry.
you cannot expect ever all full details of all users suspected gaming, nor all details of any process made in the sd case. you just cannot expect it. you must trust the hubdubresponsibles to make a wise decision.
you do not contribute to this anymore in a constructive manner. so why shouldn't you yourself get banned from here?
if a decision is made, and you do not agree to it - you're free to take the consequences and leave.
nigel and his staff are doing a great job here. they try to reach a consensus here with all participating users. if you do not want to contribute in a fashioned manner anymore, please consider to leave right now.
I’m agry if anyone tries to blackmail
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Inappropriate?the striking thing has lost its humorous touch. i have found it was a funny idea in the beginning. now its getting on my nerves.
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Inappropriate?The strike was never meant to be humerous. It was a serious situation in which through are stance was sending a message to the admins. I care enough to not copy and paste the same message on several posts. I reply to each individually. If you is getting on your nerves, than quit following it on your dashboard, and then it won't bother you anymore.
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Inappropriate?if it wasn't meant humerus in any way, than its been blackmailing from the beginning.
i would not want to have any users on my site, if i were in the position to decide, who tried to blackmail on me. criticism is fine. constructive criticism is very welcome. but if you are not able to contribute new, inventive or helpful posts anymore than either i should not read your posts, like you say, or you should not post anymore. i am interested in other posts, though. -
Inappropriate?As discussed here:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...
We are putting the final decision on Satyaki to the vote. Please drop me an email to nigel [at] hubdub [dot] com.
You don't need to state any reasons, just say whether what action we should take with regards Satyaki. Options are:
1) Fine of H$8,300 (the amount earned from the gamed cricket questions) and 2 week bar on question creation
2) Fine of 50% of net worth and 2 week bar on question creation
3) Fine down to H$1,000 and 2 week bar on question creation
4) Account closed
Note that I will be checking all email addresses to ensure they correspond with a Hubdub account created prior to today.
Also, if you want to talk to me about the decision, the process or Hubdub in general then send me a contact number and I'll give you a call. Alternatively, my Skype handle is nigel.eccles. I expect I will be online fairly late this evening. Thanks everyone for their input. -
Inappropriate?Thanks Nigel!
I'm not striking, but I am pushing for an agreeable resolution to this awful situation.
Quick question, what will the 2 week bar on question creation solve? Do you think 2 weeks will be enough time for lightening to strike the cheaters? In 2 weeks, will cheaters have a sudden realization that they should stop cheating? Are you at all concerned that, after the 2 weeks is over, the cheaters will continue their previous behavior?
Just a thought.
Hmmm......
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I’m overthinking this, but why 2 weeks?
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Inappropriate?Well it brings me great joy that I AM NO LONGER ON STRIKE. I didn't go on strike without great thought and consideration. I wouldn't recommend it to other users. I feel that everyone involved as learned from this incident and hopefully conclusions can be reached before such action is needed. I look forward to an open dialouge with admins on future issues. To the other users who thought this action was taken to bully or blackmail, I can assure you it wasn't.
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