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Murphy started following the idea "Songbird + android = ipod killer" in Songbird.
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Murphy started following the idea "How about a lean and mean Songbird, that is less demanding of CPU and RAM?" in Songbird.
Murphy replied on August 23, 2009 04:59 to the idea "Songbird light" in Songbird:
This sounds like a great idea. It can currently be a pain to listen to an audio file that isn't in your library, such as when you download a new song and aren't sure if you will add it to your library or delete it. OSX has quick preview, and I set .mp3s to open with Quicktime by default because I often just want to play an audio file quickly without adding it to my library. Maybe it could just play the audio file or files in the slimmed down interface, and then if the user wants, they can choose to import the tracks to the library, sort of like the import assistant I suggested a while ago.-
Murphy started following the idea "Songbird light" in Songbird.
A comment on the idea "A new way to display browser tabs in Songbird" in Songbird:
Jesus.. I'm glad you had a change of heart =P. I think what you said about the Windows 7 taskbar is a great point. Both Windows 7 and OSX keep open and closed application icons pinned together in the dock, and they just light up to show you that the application is running. Since the web is becoming more app-based, I think it makes sense to treat bookmarks in a similar way in browsers- as either active or inactive. As you said, it would be easy to tell that they are open because the open ones would have close buttons. – Murphy, on August 22, 2009 00:33
A comment on the idea "A new way to display browser tabs in Songbird" in Songbird:
Thank you for your support, Andrew. I didn't notice it has only been that long and I'm already worrying about it. I just kept waking up and seeing that no replies had been made and that it was falling away in the pages, and I was worried that it would just disappear. – Murphy, on August 21, 2009 15:27
Murphy replied on August 21, 2009 14:19 to the idea "A new way to display browser tabs in Songbird" in Songbird:
No one has a preference, or am I just making posts too long for anyone to want to read them? =P I really think this could make the browser feel more natural in Songbird.
Mark Yen made a comment on the bug suggesting that tabs in the service pane could be possible:
"Building it as an extension would probably be the first step to go here :)
Unlike Firefox, we have hacks that make the tab strip detached from the
</tabbrowser>, so this would actually be possible, I think. You'll have to do
lots of work to make it not break, though."
I hadn't thought of this, but since the new tab bar in Songbird can be hidden, it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to permanently remove it. Feathers are already made to look good without the tab bar showing, so no problems would crop up there.
A comment on the question "What's the bird's name?" in Songbird:
ooh, how exciting. I am shocked that they never gave the Firefox fox a name, except that I've heard him called Foxy a few times. I would start a topic about it on the Firefox GetSatisfaction, but for some reason I am intimidated by new communities... – Murphy, on August 20, 2009 21:23
Murphy replied on August 20, 2009 19:25 to the idea "A new way to display browser tabs in Songbird" in Songbird:
I just filed this to bugzilla as well so that it might get more discussion: http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show...
Murphy replied on August 20, 2009 14:20 to the idea "Smooth fading between default and hovered buttons in feathers" in Songbird:
Jesus. I've never even noticed the mouse-over states before because I always use keyboard shortcuts instead of using the buttons. I don't think they look bad the way they are, but I don't think it's even necessary to have the mouse-over behavior. I'm not sure about all OSes, but I know that OSX at least doesn't generally have any mouse-over button states, and I think it's pretty classy that way. I just feel like they aren't very useful, and sometimes, mousing over desktop icons in Windows Vista comes to mind, they can feel clunky.
Murphy replied on August 20, 2009 14:10 to the idea "Add some more useful Songbird web addresses" in Songbird:
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Murphy started following the idea "Add some more useful Songbird web addresses" in Songbird.
Murphy replied on August 19, 2009 21:36 to the idea "To initially set up and save rating file for new library in Songbird." in Songbird:
This made me think of an idea. When you first launch a browser, it asks you if you want to import bookmarks from the other browsers on your computer. Maybe when you first launch Songbird, it could ask you if you want to import your playcounts and ratings from another player like WMP or iTunes. It could help ease the transition of switching to Songbird from another player.
Murphy shared an idea in Songbird on August 19, 2009 18:32:
A new way to display browser tabs in SongbirdThe main feature of Songbird that sets it apart from other music programs is its web browser. Whether using it to find and install addons inside of the program, or playing songs off of music blogs and sites, the web browser offers many new possibilities and is something that most users will make use of. However, I think that using tabs the way they currently are in Songbird can feel pretty confusing and cluttered.
The problem, I think, is that Songbird modeled its tabs off of the way they are currently displayed in web browsers. Firefox, IE, Chrome, Opera, and almost every other browser I have seen all have a thin, horizontal tab bar at the top of the program window. This is primarily done because it takes up less screen space than vertical tabs, and possibly because it is comfortable in most cultures to read across text from left to right, rather than downward in a list. It works pretty well in web browsers considering that bookmarks and websites are the only places you can navigate to in a browser.
Songbird, on the other hand, has many more places one can navigate to. The library, playlists, radio stations, stores, and plugged-in devices are all places that the user needs to be able to navigate to within the program, and that is before even including web features. Because of all of the locations, a vertical service pane is used to list them all clearly. Bookmarks are even listed in this pane as well, rather than in a horizontal bar as they are in web browsers. However, tabs are the only places in Songbird not listed in the service pane.
A horizontal tab bar is created when you open a tab, and this creates two navigational areas: the main service pane, and the tab bar. It can be confusing to have these two navigational areas to switch between, especially when bookmarks are in the vertical plane and tabs in the horizontal. It causes both horizontal and vertical space to be taken up, and it causes the Library tab to be doubled, which looks really confusing.
Aza Raskin, who works on Firefox's interface design, made a blog post talking about how tabs could be listed in a vertical pane in Firefox, and I think this would especially be a perfect solution for Songbird. Tabs would be listed in the service pane just like any other place you can navigate to in the program, there wouldn't be the confusion or clutter of having an additional navigation area, and the Library tab wouldn't get doubled. I also think that it would feel more intuitive to have bookmarks (unopened websites) and tabs (open websites) listed in the same pane. It might even be neat if clicking a bookmark made it slide into the tab area, and upon closing or leaving that page, it would slide back into the bookmark area, preventing unnecessary doubling of content in the service pane. However, there are some negative aspects of both design choices, so I figured I would make a pros and cons list so that people could weigh the choices.
Current method - horizontal tab bar
Pros:
- Tabs are displayed the same way in current web browsers, so users have more experience with the model
- The user can hide the main service pane while browsing for more horizontal space in web pages
Cons:
- Creates two separate navigational areas in the program; the service pane, and the tab bar
- The user ends up having two Library tabs, so they can still access the library from the tab bar if the service pane is hidden while browsing
- Takes up vertical space and adds clutter to the top of the window
New method - tabs in the service pane
Pros:
- Tabs are listed in the service pane just like all of the other areas of the program that you can access
- Tabs no longer create a second navigational pane
- There are no longer two tabs for accessing the Library
- Bookmarked websites are already listed in the service pane, so it would keep consistency to have open websites listed there as well
- Saves/declutters vertical screen space
Cons:
- Users could not hide the service pane while browsing, because if they did they would not be able to access tabs
- Tabs would no longer be displayed as they currently are in web browsers, and might be harder for people to use
- Takes up more space in the service pane
What does everyone think? Do you think it would be more convenient to use this new system for displaying tabs, or is the traditional way better? It might be hard to tell which way you would like better without actually testing it out, but try to imagine what it would be like to click on tabs in the service pane. I think it would be an improvement.
Murphy replied on August 19, 2009 17:07 to the idea "Introductory video on the Songbird frontpage?" in Songbird:
I like these last two ideas you've made about getting more videos up on the site; I think video makes it a lot easier for process new information than just reading a bunch of text. They could just make a main introductory video, or maybe one with each release to let people know about the new features. I bet a lot of people didn't even realize an equalizer was added with Isan if they didn't read the blog post because there is nothing on the main page showing off new changes.
Miro's homepage has a great example of an introductory video.-
Murphy started following the idea "Introductory video on the Songbird frontpage?" in Songbird.
Murphy replied on August 19, 2009 16:58 to the idea "Weekly Video Podcasts by the Songbird Team" in Songbird:
I would love to see video updates even just once a month or so from the team if it wouldn't be too much trouble to make them. Maybe just a few minutes or so mixing interviews and screencasts showing new features they have been working on.
There are videos on Mozilla labs sometimes showing new projects and ideas or just with discussion about the principles of the software. They are enjoyable to watch, and you get to know the people who are working on the software better. Google also puts videos on their blog frequently explaining new features. Today's post has a great example of one.
Plus, it would be easy to put up videos using the new HTML5 <\video> tags like they do on this blog: http://hacks.mozilla.org/-
Murphy started following the idea "Weekly Video Podcasts by the Songbird Team" in Songbird.
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Murphy started following the idea "Full Firefox Integration in Songbird" in Songbird.
A comment on the question "Firefox 3.5/Gecko 1.9.1 engine for Songbird 1.3 for better speed/features" in Songbird:
Hehe. That's the sign of a true programmer- you couldn't leave any tag left open.
That sounds like a great idea if it would ease the process of upgrading Songbird's engine. Is there a website where you can read about the new features and changes to Gecko? – Murphy, on August 19, 2009 14:08
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