Be more transparent about what you're doing to the service.
When Plurk works well it is a great service. For the past several months, however (since around October 2008) feature changes, system instability, and other changes to the service have seriously diminished its capability to be an engaging social network. Adding to the frustration is the fact that Plurk is pretty much a black box company—aside from a blog that's intermittently updated and not publicized and *rare* public timeline posts, there's no communication from the development team about what's going on—something I think is critical for maintaining your customer base and expanding it. I encourage—BEG—the people behind the service to first, stop changing features, adding features, and generally futzing around with the system. PLEASE focus on making Plurk reliable. New features should come only after you're able to consistently deliver existing services. Second, please provide clear, obvious, and regular communication about what's going on. Users shouldn't have to hunt around on the Internet to find a way of communicating with you. If your staff isn't willing to communicate honestly and openly with your customers on a regular and continuing basis, then you should stop altogether—inconsistent and irregular feedback from staff is possibly more annoying than the plague of problems currently affecting the service. You need a public spokesperson to keep customers apprised of what's going on (especially in times like now where your reliability is dismal) or people will give up and look for a competitor.
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Inappropriate?I agree, totally. Plurk gets no press but soon all it will get is negative press as it has been totally unstable since I joined in November. Has problems weekly and with no other information all users can think is the server is on the roof in the rain some where with no umbrella. Hopefully they will get their act together soon before everyone runs back to twitter.
I’m displeased, annoyed
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Inappropriate?agree. they should at least announce the changes prior the changes are implemented.
but i'm not sure that anyone will notice this post/comment/point of view - i'm not sure that anybody really reads it :)
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?I almost agree, but differ on a few issues. What you guys need to do first and foremost is GET THE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING acceptably. Revert back from whatever caused these problems if you can. Number two, stop new development, and instead focus on implementing better change management, and testing practices. THESE PROBLEMS SHOULD NEVER BE HITTING YOUR PUBLIC SERVERS! If you're investors don't want to accept and iimplement that, you might as well pack up and start looking for new jobs, and they may as well kiss what money they have invested goodbye because people are not going to continue to stand by through these problems.
I’m angry
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Inappropriate?I agree that those in charge of Plurk need to step back and get the service working reliably before trying to fancy and pretty things up. I know its a free service... and I LOVE that it's there for my friends and I to goof off on but "You get what you pay for" only goes so far in accruing loyalty and patience.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?As a Top 10 / 100 Karma d00d (which means I've been here from the start) I must concur with my loyal subjects above. Please Plurk... adhere to the words of wisdom from your users. They come from those who will keep you alive. Do not turn a deaf ear. P.S. I am very funny.
I’m concerned.
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I agree, you are funny! (lmao)
But all kidding aside - just a little more transparency will go a long way with your loyal users. Please just update more often and let us know in advance when downtime is going to occur - when possible of course. -
Inappropriate?We use plurk too and we know about the problems. Believe me, we are working very hard on these issues (they personally drive me nuts).
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Ryan, the issue is not whether you know about the problems or are bothered by them. The issue is the manner in which your company does or does not *communicate* about the problems with users, in a timely, transparent fashion. -
Inappropriate?I know you guys are using the system, and I truly believe that you guys are working extremely hard. I'm a developer myself and I've been in the same position. I understand how insanely frustrating it can be to have whining and complaining when things are going wrong.
When you see me voice my opinion, as I did tonight, it is out of genuine concern for not only what I think is a great system, but the people who have put their souls into the work to make it possible - You guys. I would hate to see Plurk suffer the same fate that I have seen other projects, a few I have worked on, suffer in the past. Unfortunately you guys end up taking the brunt of the pressure when things go wrong even though you probably aren't given the resources to prevent them. I'd focus my energy on those people if I knew who they were.
I'm not the type of person to complain without offering solutions, so should you wish, feel free to open up a dialog with me about anything. I'd be more than glad to help out in any way I can.
I’m thankful
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Inappropriate?It's hard to improve on David's post, so I will just say, "amen".
I’m not optimistic.
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Inappropriate?The reply by the employee does not suffice for purposes as requested by David. The excuse is lame. And why have they still not updated their blog???
Fail!
I’m disgusted
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Inappropriate?Andre, ok point noted. We'll work on this.
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Inappropriate?Something breaks? Fine, it happens.
Upgrading something? Great.
Adding new features? Great.
Having unscheduled downtime? It happens.
Found a problem and working to fix it ASAP? Great.
COMMUNICATE with us. Tell us what's happening. I promise, your users would be much more understanding of these things if we KNEW what was going on. Use Plurk Buddy to inform us. Update your blog on a regular basis. If you have to put up the "Plurk is unavailable" screen we'd be much less upset if you told us after it WHY you had to do it.
Plurk is a great service. I know many of us enjoy it. We're just frustrated.
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this is one of the best points
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Inappropriate?As long as a long-time user can be, I've been. I've watched Plurk grow, and compared to Twitter issues, Plurk has ALMOST always maintained some functionality with few A-team/Critter pictures even while having problems. Some problems are feature related, some growth related - and since this is a live production service public less than a year, it can often be called Alpha more than Beta, much less "Production."
But Plurk is gaining critical mass. Happy users have evangelized, our networks have grown. Perhaps you are now at the point where only some users are on a beta server, while most users reside on the last stable release that lacks the new features. To the extent that the database can be segregated, it would let those of us who are willing to put up with more service interruptions be part of this great product taking place, while letting those with less patience benefit from a stable release.
And without opening that black box too much - maybe updates could be announced by Plurkbuddy, and take place in a regular maintenance window. Freeze Karma on Sundays, and make changes every other Sunday during a scheduled maintenance window?
I’m sad when its down, but usually satisfied.
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Inappropriate?I'm going to say "Amen" to David's original post, and add that there is a major problem when you are trying to make fixes/changes while the site is live. If you have to, announce that there will be maintenance going on, place the maintenance shutdown message, and close things until it works.
A randomly failing site does nothing for creating loyalty.
I’m frustrated
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lets vote plurk off the island.
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Inappropriate?Similar issues on Twitter are what led me to the great land of Plurk...I want to stay here, please! There are some great suggestions above, and I know that although you don't always acknowledge you are always listening.
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?In light of being more transparent: we're doing some work on the servers at the moment. We're sorry for the downtime :(
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If you're working on the servers then why not pull the site down temporarily? I'd much rather see the "Plurk is down for maintenance" screen than continually have problems reading anything. -
Ryan, I'm glad that you all are "aware" of the problems, but frankly this "in light of being more transparent" comment feels like a slap in the face. Commenting here—where there are fewer than thirty people—that your service is continuing to be unstable is useless. It's patently obvious to the entire userbase that Plurk is having problems because the servers keep going down. If you're truly interested in being transparent and updating your users, you should change the disingenuous text on the "maintenance" Web page and the "page not found" error page to be honest: your system is down and will be back when you can get it working. It's not "routine maintenance." -
Inappropriate?I want to add to my original post that while it was nice to see a couple of posts from Plurkbuddy on Friday and Saturday, they do not address the systemic lack of feedback from the developers about what's going on. Additionally, announcing new features or tweaks to non-core functions that have been broken for months is an insult to people who are unable to use the basic core functions of the service. Logging in this morning (2009-01-11 US eastern time) to see that some tweaks have been made to the look-and-feel of the site while still seeing core problems is another slap in the face.
If there were a viable alternative to Plurk, I'd be heading there NOW and inviting everyone I know from Plurk.
I’m insulted by the lip-service.
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Inappropriate?Like Ryan stated, we will try to improve the situation with communication.
This issue is not issue about doing new features, but about database servers crashing down - - which was unexpected and was very hard to solve.
That said, you will not get far with snarky and unpleasant comments - they will be ignored.
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Inappropriate?Here is a GREAT article on what the Plurk employees can do to increase transparency and start being good communicators:
http://mashable.com/2009/01/28/social...
It's very important to communicate in advance with users.
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Thanks. It's a great article and we'll try our best to improve our communication.
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Inappropriate?I'd like to point to Facebook for a moment. They recently modified their terms of service in an opaque fashion—similar to how Plurk staff generally interact with its customers. In case you don't follow Facebook, the change they made had (in the opinion of a great many people) fundamental implications to the way Facebook handled user content. After a fair amount of "damage control" in the blogosphere, on Facebook itself, and on news sites, they decided to revert to their previous terms while they find a way to re-write them to be clearer.
What's most important here (in my opinion) for Plurk is that the new change wasn't implemented quietly. Facebook actually added a banner announcement at the top of each person's profile in a position that is obvious and impossible to miss. This is an *excellent* example of what I tried to get across originally and still think is crucial for Plurk to learn. Both services are free and both have had their share of growing pains and problems, but Facebook (at least in this instance) has gone out of its way to make sure customers are aware of what they're doing to try to fix the (current) problem. If Plurk employees took a similar approach, I think you'd see a huge cooling down in the level of frustration and sarcasm directed at you. Customers might reconsider leaving and there would probably be fewer comments along the lines of "oh, I see Plurk's sucking again today" that are approaching ubiquity now.
I’m hopeful this will be taken in the constructive way it's meant.
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Inappropriate?I agree there needs to be transparency and info for Plurkers. I have no idea how Plurk makes money to keep going, but whatever, it has to be responsive. FB is good to give us an information banner about their changes.
I’m happy
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Inappropriate?I'm bumping this back up because it continues to be relevant. In the past couple of weeks at least two new "features" have been stealthily added to Plurk (deleting responses and a "search" function) without any sort of notice. In both cases Plurk's reliability crashed after implementation (right now, on 2009-05-02 at 19:30 ET, Plurks with responses are only occasionally loading, for example).
I think it's great that Plurk-the-company wants its users to know about how the Chinese government is blocking the service, but WHY can't the employees even notify users of new functions through, e.g., the blog? Why is it that with every single new feature (I can recall), Plurk's reliability sinks into the toilet?
You guys actually started to improve a little after the disastrous months of the beginning of 2009 when the service was down almost as often as it was up... please don't let things return to the level of unpleasant snark from both sides: keep your users informed of what's going on!
I’m frustrated by so little transparency.
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Inappropriate?It's possible that Amir etc simply can't do everything all at once, they're only a small team, and i believe, do their best, even if it isn't quite how we'd all like things to be.
In my opinion, Plurk need a spokes(wo)men to simply write the blogs, plurks etc when they're told what Plurk is doing. Amir etc would simply need to mention it and the spokesmen would then be left to publicize this to all users, so this doesn't annoy so many users. -
Inappropriate?Anyone that is interested in the small things that we do on a daily basis can follow me on Plurk: http://plurk.com/amix
I usually Plurk when I do a worthwhile change.
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Inappropriate?Plurk's stability has taken a nosedive again in recent weeks, with (predictably) no commentary in the blog, or on the Plurkbuddy account. It feels like a lost cause raising this issue again, but frustration is again becoming palpable.
I’m disappointed and unsurprised.
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Inappropriate?Have to point out that there was NO transparency with regard to the changes in mobile Plurk. Some of us are on the go constantly and use the mobile version of the site regularly. There was no blog, no post, no announcement, no communication about this change. And it's broken. Oh, it looks nice sure, but as it stands I'd rather have the old version of mobile back (with FULL functionality of everything) than this pretty new one that's broken and full of fail.
Way to communicate the change guys.
I’m completely annoyed and frustrated.
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If you care to specify exactly how it's broken, feel free to do so, and specify what device and browser you are attempting to use; as it behaves correctly on every device we own between us, with no missing functionality, finding such errors is difficult without such hints. I see the complaint about the character limit – this is a minor, easily resolved oversight (which, if nobody has done so yet, I will resolve myself immediately).
I do not feel that a purely aesthetic change merits significant forewarning, however – and I doubt you would, either, if it hadn't broken whatever it broke (and even with warning, what would you actually do about it? You wouldn't know there would be a problem) -
I am using an iPhone on it's innate Safari browser. It's a First Generation iPhone (if that matters).
The sheer size of the font going from "teeny teeny tiny" to a "I could read this from across the room" size is kind of excessive (but aesthetic, sure, but still really annoying).
When clicking on another person's name (as in an @ plurkperson), it takes you to the full page (which doesn't always correctly load and takes a REALLY long time). Aesthetics, I like it.
The character limit is really annoying and very frustrating.
Some friends of mine (though I'm not sure what phone's they're using) have stated that it all "runs together". http://www.plurk.com/p/2wvja4
And despite your belief that aesthetic change doesn't merit forewarning, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would beg to differ. When Facebook made a ton of changes, there was an uproar. I'm in no way saying don't make the change, but a forewarning would have been nice, regardless of whether YOU think it was necessary. -
We've seen the comments about things "running together", but since they seem to be caused by the same versions of Mobile IE we're testing, actually figuring out what's wrong is nontrivial.
Are you trying to view responses? You click the little icon on the right, with a number by it. If you think this is nonobvious, I agree, and have raised the issue already. As for font size, I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to, beyond some buttons having REALLY BIG TEXT for no really good reason. Working on the character limit at this second. -
I'm not retarded. I see where you click on the little "chat bubble" icon to see responses. When you type a response (or a new plurk), the font inside the text box is massive. Almost double anything else viewed on the mobile website.
Thank you for fixing the character limit issue. Nothing more annoying than typing a response only to have it lost. -
Inappropriate?Katharine, is there some institutional reason why the Plurk team is so resistant to updating its users about changes? You’ve personally been responsive in the past when I’ve had problems with the Plurk iPhone app (not Ryan’s—the other one), but in general we get nothing except for periods of instability followed by odd, inexplicable changes to Plurk... and people who come here to ask what’s going on seem to be equally ignored or treated to a brusque reply.
I can understand that operating a free service with limited staffing probably means most people there don’t have a lot of time to explain what’s coming or perform customer service, but there are times it really feels like Plurk staff have a combative relationship with their users. The extremely rare message from Plurkbuddy is easy to miss. Demanding that users follow a developer to potentially find out what’s going on seems pretty onerous (how likely is a new user to even know who he is?), and the “blog” is buried waaaaay down in the footer where no one realistically can be expected to look—and there’s never any indication that there’s a new post. How many (successful) companies force their users to go hunting for news about what’s going on?
I’m trying not to be snarky or unreasonable here; Plurk has mostly been stable and usable for a while, and I’m thankful both for that and for the fact that it exists. But this approach of springing changes on users without notice and then (in some cases) acting hostile and defensive when people are surprised or have problems just doesn’t make sense to me.
I’m (unsure)
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To save on everyone else here jumping on me, I think I'll leave someone else to answer that. I suspect it primarily relates to a style of working. -
Inappropriate?Plurk could always "employ" somebody, (at no cost) to literally be the middle man, A Team say X, Y and Z and middle man plurks, blogs, lets users know.
It can't be that hard, but it's just a matter of Plurk allowing it to happen.
I’m unsure
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We did. *points*
Unless they speak twenty-five languages they aren't much good, though. Furthermore, it wouldn't (and didn't) actually help in the slightest. For them to say something, we need to say something first. As nineteen people here have noticed, this rarely actually happens (if you look back, you'll find that it actually did happen over a year ago, but that sort of thing apparently died out). -
Inappropriate?My goodness Katharine...aren't we being a wee over sensitive to a reasonable comment. That is why I left plurk...because of shoddy service.
I’m happy
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Henceforth, I will not attempt to communicate with users either. Evidently, you don't appreciate it. -
Katharine, To be completely honest, whether or not you decide to respond any further won't help the issue. You've taken a rather snotty tone with me and rather than retort in a similar fashion, I've opted to just address the things that have been causing me problems directly. The childish manner in which you've talked to me has been everything but professional. And while I appreciate you changing the character limit problem, you've done nothing more than make snide remarks to people.
This is a service. If someone talked to me like that while I got an oil change I'd be pitching a FIT. I have been supportive of Plurk as a service for a very long time and enjoy it very much. The original thread was regarding being transparent about what's going on with plurk and the changes that have NOT been posted but suddenly show up, occasionally borked and unusable.
You share a link to someone's personal plurk page, which does nothing for me. I'm sorry. They're not my friend and while they may have posted an update on what's going on some year ago, this doesn't seem to affect what's happening in the here and now. You yourself have told us to "look back." Why didn't you just link the direct plurk in which you were referencing rather than taking the rather childish approach of forcing us to hope that we know exactly what you're talking about when looking through the archives of someone's plurk page with whom we've never read. That doesn't even make sense.
From a professional standpoint, your "I'll just ignore you" attitude further shows your disregard to the user experience... for a service you help maintain and work for. Most business practices would fail if they all employed your attitude about things.
This was not meant to be a "bash on Katharine" day, nor is it a bash on the user thread either. It is a simple request. Let users know when you're making major changes. What you consider only "aesthetic" is something major considering how much it isn't working on many phones. It isn't working correctly on iphones either. It's semi-tolerable, but at least the old mobile site worked. Your personal opinion is one thing, but to say that the entirety of Plurk employees share your attitude is a little condescending and assumptive. -
Katharine, To be completely honest, whether or not you decide to respond any further won't help the issue. You've taken a rather snotty tone with me and rather than retort in a similar fashion, I've opted to just address the things that have been causing me problems directly. The childish manner in which you've talked to me has been everything but professional. And while I appreciate you changing the character limit problem, you've done nothing more than make snide remarks to people.
This is a service. If someone talked to me like that while I got an oil change I'd be pitching a FIT. I have been supportive of Plurk as a service for a very long time and enjoy it very much. The original thread was regarding being transparent about what's going on with plurk and the changes that have NOT been posted but suddenly show up, occasionally borked and unusable.
You share a link to someone's personal plurk page, which does nothing for me. I'm sorry. They're not my friend and while they may have posted an update on what's going on some year ago, this doesn't seem to affect what's happening in the here and now. You yourself have told us to "look back." Why didn't you just link the direct plurk in which you were referencing rather than taking the rather childish approach of forcing us to hope that we know exactly what you're talking about when looking through the archives of someone's plurk page with whom we've never read. That doesn't even make sense.
From a professional standpoint, your "I'll just ignore you" attitude further shows your disregard to the user experience... for a service you help maintain and work for. Most business practices would fail if they all employed your attitude about things.
This was not meant to be a "bash on Katharine" day, nor is it a bash on the user thread either. It is a simple request. Let users know when you're making major changes. What you consider only "aesthetic" is something major considering how much it isn't working on many phones. It isn't working correctly on iphones either. It's semi-tolerable, but at least the old mobile site worked. Your personal opinion is one thing, but to say that the entirety of Plurk employees share your attitude is a little condescending and assumptive. -
I don't think Plurk employees share Katharine's attitude about this particular issue. To put things in perspective, if Katharine is http://www.plurk.com/Katharine , then from her profile, she is 17, and she might be a little defensive when people start ragging on her.
I've found that a personal email to Alvin Woon, one of the co-founders of Plurk, resulted in very quick and a professional response. -
Assuming that I have Alvin Woon's personal email in order to inquire about some issues with plurk, this might pose as a fantastic idea. However, it fails to help the situation any.
Another point that should be made is the fact that Plurk employees have not made it clear that they're no longer using GetStatisfaction as a means of listening to user concerns and issues. There was a post (which I simply cannot find again for some reason) somewhere in the archives in which Amir stated that it was better to use the contact form instead. However, because of Plurk's inability to be more transparent, people continue to come here to seek answers and report problems they're experiencing (especially if they, like me, have had better luck in the past with regard to communication).
Katharine's blatant disregard for carrying herself in a professional way should not be waived because she posts on her personal Plurk page that she is 17 years old. To be believe **anything** on the internet is ignorant and silly. While many people are very honest, I have to take with a grain of salt, something such as age on a site that does no actual validation of age. Simply stated, I could put that I'm 100 years old, but that doesn't make me 100.
If Katharine is indeed 17 years old, then Plurk should have used more discretion when giving her employee rights and abilities. Her age does not give her an unwritten excuse for poor behavior, period. If I cannot assume that all of Plurk's employees share the same bad attitude that Katharine does with regard to the user experience, then she should in turn, not write off all users based on the comment of one person (as she blatantly states, publically, http://www.plurk.com/p/2xc9w0).
If Plurk is no longer going to use the services of GetSatisfaction as a means for the user to report bugs and problems, then they should state that on their contact list. It was pointed out that it was left available for users to look for fixes (such as CSS codes) and explanations for things that have already been hashed out here. Their lack of transparency again and again have yielded only childish responses from one employee and multiple people attempting to make a point.
If you don't want users using GetSatisfaction, then get rid of it. Archive the information to allow users to look through it, but remove it as an ability to post for everyone. Make problem reporting easier to find. Talk to people like Katharine and explain exactly how to handle themselves professionally, before allowing them access to berate and belittle people as she assumes that my "issues" are easily corrected with a condescending attitude. Period. -
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Inappropriate?I'd like to weigh in on the navigation links running together.
I do not have a fancy phone nor do I have a mobile browser, other than what sprint provides.
I use a Samsung Rant and the old site was buggy for me, but, it worked and I was able to access all of the navigation links.
I logged in last night and was not able to view ANY of the links to go to Responded Plurks, My Plurks...etc....they all ran together. Is this enough information to check into my issue?
Now, I'm not one to involve myself in petty back and forth, however, it really would be nice to have useful questions asked AND answered by Plurk Reps. Some of this communication has been really childish.
I’m frustrated
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Taja, you might have better luck starting another thread, since this topic was originally intended to suggest to Plurk that their userbase might not be so hostile/frustrated/upset/caught by surprise if the staff engaged them proactively. -
you have a good point, unfortunately.
I'll do that. -
Inappropriate?A big problem for us is that our users come from a lot of different countries and speak a lot of different languages - - and hiring people to manage our support would be a big expense for us, since we would need people from a lot of different countries. We are currently trying to solve this issue with our own multi-langual support platform which should launch in the beginning of 2010:
* http://opensource.plurk.com/Solace/
We are currently looking at how to solve the issue with our mobile page upgrade. Thanks for your understanding.
Kind regards,
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Thanks for the heads up, Amir!
I remember Alvin mentioning some time back that a new support system was on its way. I hope it works as well as you hope, and can bring the Plurk community back together in making Plurk the best it can be!
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