Interface redesign ideas from Firefox 3.7 and 4 mockups
Mozilla has recently added pages to their wiki showing off mockups for the next release of Firefox, 3.7, as well as the next major release, 4.0.
3.7: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/3.7_...
4.0: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_...
I think that the design changes, especially the 4.0 ones, are really great. Many of the changes, such as removing the menu bar and status bar, possibly having tabs on top, and removing the bookmarks bar by default, seem to work toward making the interface less cluttered like Google Chrome's. I think I just wanted to share these with people because I find them interesting, but some of the design changes could really help simplify the interface of Songbird and make it more unified with Firefox. Many of these changes wont even come to Firefox for a while though, so I really just want to share these ideas so that people can think about them in the meantime and maybe get new ideas about the interface in Songbird.
The first notable change is that they removed the menu bar from the window, which reduces a lot of clutter in the interface and could be adapted in Songbird. Menu bars take up some space, but most importantly, they add a lot of text that makes any interface more intimidating; I think that is why Microsoft's ribbon interface and Google Chrome replace the menu bar with more visually identifiable buttons for the user to access program options. In the case of Firefox/Chrome, they use buttons like Tools and Page ones to consolidate the important program options.
Firefox also sports this new bookmarks button to replace the bookmarks menu/bar. This could be useful in Songbird as it has no bookmarks menu bar, which makes it difficult to save pages for viewing later without taking up a lot of space in the main service pane.
I think it would also be a good idea to remove the stop/refresh and home button currently in Songbird, so that only the back and forward buttons are visible both in the library and in the browser. Then, it could use the consolidated go/stop/refresh button from the Firefox mockups. The add-bookmark button in Songbird could also use the star-in-the-awesome-bar design from Firefox.
Think of how simple it would be: if Songbird also showed the awesome bar while in the library, the navigation bar would be exactly the same while in the library and the browser, with just the forward and back buttons, awesome bar, and go/stop/refresh button at the end. This could make the transition between viewing the library and browsing the web much easier on the user.
The navigation bar could further be simplified by combining the awesome bar and search bar as shown in one of the mockups.
I think these changes could make the interface in Songbird soooo much simpler, and also more similar to Firefox's, helping the large number of people who alternate between using both programs to browse the web.
If any of you guys are interested in the Mozilla/Firefox community, I recommend reading about their developments to get new ideas for Songbird as well. You can subscribe to their weekly newsletter, about:mozilla (although inferior to the weekly birdbath): http://list-manage.com/subscribe.phtm...
Or, you can read the about:mozilla news on their blog or its rss feed: http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/
You can also read the blog/subscribe to the rss of Mozilla Labs, which posts updates on more experimental projects that the Mozilla team works on: http://labs.mozilla.org
3.7: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/3.7_...
4.0: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_...
I think that the design changes, especially the 4.0 ones, are really great. Many of the changes, such as removing the menu bar and status bar, possibly having tabs on top, and removing the bookmarks bar by default, seem to work toward making the interface less cluttered like Google Chrome's. I think I just wanted to share these with people because I find them interesting, but some of the design changes could really help simplify the interface of Songbird and make it more unified with Firefox. Many of these changes wont even come to Firefox for a while though, so I really just want to share these ideas so that people can think about them in the meantime and maybe get new ideas about the interface in Songbird.
The first notable change is that they removed the menu bar from the window, which reduces a lot of clutter in the interface and could be adapted in Songbird. Menu bars take up some space, but most importantly, they add a lot of text that makes any interface more intimidating; I think that is why Microsoft's ribbon interface and Google Chrome replace the menu bar with more visually identifiable buttons for the user to access program options. In the case of Firefox/Chrome, they use buttons like Tools and Page ones to consolidate the important program options.
Firefox also sports this new bookmarks button to replace the bookmarks menu/bar. This could be useful in Songbird as it has no bookmarks menu bar, which makes it difficult to save pages for viewing later without taking up a lot of space in the main service pane.
I think it would also be a good idea to remove the stop/refresh and home button currently in Songbird, so that only the back and forward buttons are visible both in the library and in the browser. Then, it could use the consolidated go/stop/refresh button from the Firefox mockups. The add-bookmark button in Songbird could also use the star-in-the-awesome-bar design from Firefox.
Think of how simple it would be: if Songbird also showed the awesome bar while in the library, the navigation bar would be exactly the same while in the library and the browser, with just the forward and back buttons, awesome bar, and go/stop/refresh button at the end. This could make the transition between viewing the library and browsing the web much easier on the user.
The navigation bar could further be simplified by combining the awesome bar and search bar as shown in one of the mockups.
I think these changes could make the interface in Songbird soooo much simpler, and also more similar to Firefox's, helping the large number of people who alternate between using both programs to browse the web.
If any of you guys are interested in the Mozilla/Firefox community, I recommend reading about their developments to get new ideas for Songbird as well. You can subscribe to their weekly newsletter, about:mozilla (although inferior to the weekly birdbath): http://list-manage.com/subscribe.phtm...
Or, you can read the about:mozilla news on their blog or its rss feed: http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/
You can also read the blog/subscribe to the rss of Mozilla Labs, which posts updates on more experimental projects that the Mozilla team works on: http://labs.mozilla.org
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Okay, I think it is pretty much finished now. I wanted to make a few final changes, and I thought I would post the photoshop file of it so that people could move things around if they wanted to test anything out. Or if you just want to see all the layers that I end up having after making one of these things =P. I organized them all nicely for the occasion. It also seems fitting in a community for open-source software; if anyone ever wants me to post the .psds of any mockups so they can try something out, just let me know and I will post them.
Here is the .psd file: http://www.mediafire.com/?manzhy3hhdz

I added the Songbird icon to the top left to give the interface some branding, just like CS4's. I think it makes the window a little easier to identify when you switch to it. Maybe people could even change it for their feathers to make the songbird fit into to their design scheme. I removed the "Tools" and "View" text on the buttons, because I think people would be able to figure them out by icon, and Chrome doesn't have text on theirs either. It also makes some room for the awesome bar so it can be more centered in the title bar. I added some simple instruction text in the awesome bar so that people know what it can do. Finally, I changed the min/max/close buttons, because it appears that in Windows 7 they are (conveniently for this mockup) centered in the title bar rather than attached to the top.
One good thing about this interface is that I think it would be easier to skin using either personas or feathers, since the interface has larger, simpler surface areas. Especially since some programs are trying to make theming easier for everybody.
Maybe one day, if they release Firefox 4 mockups for OSX, I will attempt to recreate the interface for OSX too. I think it would look very neat with the OSX metal on the title and control bar, and like Chrome on OSX, it wouldn't even need the Tool and View buttons because the menu bar is always showing in OSX anyway.
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This was a more difficult undertaking than I originally thought it would be. I use OSX, so it was a challenge getting the interface to be all aero-glassy when I have such little experience with it. I think it turned out well though and looks pretty neat with the native look; it especially helps make it look less iTunes-like by not being so chromy in Windows.
I hope I mention everything that I planned on mentioning, because I've been working on this for a few hours and you get so wrapped up in it that you sort forget what you started out doing. Mostly, I just wanted to give the interface the same native feel that the Firefox mockups have, so I made the interface all glass (is it dangerous making a birdcage out of glass...). If I were to spend more time thinking about it and working on it, I might be able to make it a little more unique, but I think it gets the point across.

The main change, other than the glass, is the simplified UI. The awesome bar and search bar are one, creating the super-awesome bar. This way, people don't have to think about what they're looking for; whether it be a song, album or artist from the library, or a website or search, they just type what they need into the bar, and they can easily get there. I think the biggest benefit of this is that it unifies the web and library more, because right now it can be pretty confusing in Songbird getting to the web from the library and then switching between them. We might even be able to do this with an add-on pretty soon. =)

I removed the menu bar and I think it makes the interface a great deal cleaner. The Tools button could give you access to the tools you normally get to in the menus. You might also notice that while in the library, the button next to tools lets you change the media view, whereas while you are on a webpage, it gives you page options you would normally get in the menu bar (save, print, send). I also tried to make things easier by changing up how the browser works. I put a browser tab into the service pane (I've actually posted a topic about it before), and when you click on it, it would show your tabs and currently open webpage. This way, people would easily know how to access the web, and it would help everyone maintain the webpages they have open.

This way, you wouldn't even need a tab for the library since it can already be accessed in the service pane. I think it can be confusing to people that two Library tabs (one in the tab bar, one in the service pane) can be visible at the same in Songbird the way it is now, and this redesign would help fix the problem. There would only have to be a Library tab in the tab bar now if the user hid the service pane while browsing.
That's all I can think of for now. Please post any opinions you have on what changes you think would be good for the interface. It might not get changed for a while, but maybe if we come up with enough good ideas, the team will squeeze a release into the roadmap which features a renovated UI. I would certainly like to see it happen.
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Inappropriate?I knew, I just knew you'd post this first!! dagnamit! :) Lifehacker by any chance?! Looks hot, huh? I hope this is doable, i reckons it's sweeeet.
So right behind you with all of this. Epic +1 :D
I’m so on the level!
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Inappropriate?I really like the dynamic buttons and also tiny progress bar in the FF 4.0 mockups - any chance the track progress could behave in a similar way? would save loads of space and it looks well nice. Killing un used space is definitley the way forward. Who needs a title bar with six words in it? kill it, kill it all, and lets have some epically efficient, ultrasleek looking apps in future, world :)
I’m thinking that in future people will be all about maximising useful screen space
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Inappropriate?That's what I aim for Laura :-D. I'm so sorry to have stolen your thunder Tim! I hope I did it justice. Do post any remaining ideas if you have them! Hopefully I will get around to making some super-cool mockups of Songbird with these changes. And I actually did discover it from the Lifehacker article! Although I don't usually go to Lifehacker, it was just a fluke that I got linked to that article.
edit- Well, I see you already posted some suggestions while I was writing this. :-)
I’m picturing a lean, mean Songbird
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Mate, can't wait to see what you do with these, it's gonna look awesome. Make sure you link the dev team to it :) -
and also the thread about native look/feel fathers/natural behaviour. They'll be interested :) -
And as far as improving the interface goes, I think this is a really important suggestion as well: http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/t... -
Inappropriate?When I saw those mockups i wanted to hug Mozilla! I'm so glad they weren't scared of straight up ganking Chromes look... I probably use Chrome 57% as my main browser.. (firefox 43%) (sorry firefox..the faster startup & less lock ups mainly make me happier :-P)
And the other big part being Chrome's design and leaving absolutely zero wasted space.. Freakin geniuses at Google - the first program the effectively reverse engineered Windows.. Having the tabs up in the title bar surrounded by aero (sometimes i just wanna make love to it cause its so beautiful!!)
The first add-ons i get when I start a new firefox profile is Hide Menubar, autoHideStatusbar, and Glasser... and then i get rid of the bookmarks toolbar, and the search bar(the awesomebar is good enough for me, and all i have to do is enter 'g'+Enter to go to google as a bookmark keyword), and shove some shortcut icons next to the locationbar... That is only when the screen real estate equals that of Chrome.
I think Songbird as a whole does a good job at efficient real estate usage.. but the main points that you brought up Murphy would make it even better(cause we do have room for it). - And my two requests would be 1) more aero in Songbird (It would mean some serious re-work for feathers though - not sure how it could be done effectively) and 2) getting rid of the Menubar/Titlebar somehow to gain space - like letting the player controls be able to reach the absolute top of the screen (how it can on the bottom) - and having a button(like in the mockups) or pressing 'Alt' to access the menus (Those two sugestions would only affect Windows/Linux users though :-P)
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lol@mac users with no Alt.... -
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My Macbook does too have an alt key! It just says "option" on it too. The only thing I don't have is a Windows key, but you don't have an Apple key, so we're even. =P
And Michael.. it's like we live the same life. I just recently started using Chrome mainly instead of Firefox because it is just so much faster and has such a clean interface. It can't even display youtube videos yet in the Mac version, yet I still use it primarily and just open up Firefox when I need it. I have even started using a music program for Macs called ecoute a lot because it just loads instantly and has such a simple interface. Of course, I love open-source projects and Songbird will always be the love of my life, but I do hope that one day it loads faster and someone makes a media view that is simple and effective. -
Inappropriate?This was a more difficult undertaking than I originally thought it would be. I use OSX, so it was a challenge getting the interface to be all aero-glassy when I have such little experience with it. I think it turned out well though and looks pretty neat with the native look; it especially helps make it look less iTunes-like by not being so chromy in Windows.
I hope I mention everything that I planned on mentioning, because I've been working on this for a few hours and you get so wrapped up in it that you sort forget what you started out doing. Mostly, I just wanted to give the interface the same native feel that the Firefox mockups have, so I made the interface all glass (is it dangerous making a birdcage out of glass...). If I were to spend more time thinking about it and working on it, I might be able to make it a little more unique, but I think it gets the point across.

The main change, other than the glass, is the simplified UI. The awesome bar and search bar are one, creating the super-awesome bar. This way, people don't have to think about what they're looking for; whether it be a song, album or artist from the library, or a website or search, they just type what they need into the bar, and they can easily get there. I think the biggest benefit of this is that it unifies the web and library more, because right now it can be pretty confusing in Songbird getting to the web from the library and then switching between them. We might even be able to do this with an add-on pretty soon. =)

I removed the menu bar and I think it makes the interface a great deal cleaner. The Tools button could give you access to the tools you normally get to in the menus. You might also notice that while in the library, the button next to tools lets you change the media view, whereas while you are on a webpage, it gives you page options you would normally get in the menu bar (save, print, send). I also tried to make things easier by changing up how the browser works. I put a browser tab into the service pane (I've actually posted a topic about it before), and when you click on it, it would show your tabs and currently open webpage. This way, people would easily know how to access the web, and it would help everyone maintain the webpages they have open.

This way, you wouldn't even need a tab for the library since it can already be accessed in the service pane. I think it can be confusing to people that two Library tabs (one in the tab bar, one in the service pane) can be visible at the same in Songbird the way it is now, and this redesign would help fix the problem. There would only have to be a Library tab in the tab bar now if the user hid the service pane while browsing.
That's all I can think of for now. Please post any opinions you have on what changes you think would be good for the interface. It might not get changed for a while, but maybe if we come up with enough good ideas, the team will squeeze a release into the roadmap which features a renovated UI. I would certainly like to see it happen.
I’m going to bed.
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MMMMMMMUUUUUURRRRRPPPPHHHHHYYYYYY!!!!
you are my favorite!
(i was a tad bit sad today cause GS was not as hoppin'(little posts for me to answer :-P ) - but this made it all worth it!)
I was confused on how it(aero, mainly) could get implemented... but you just hit the nail on the head!
Mmmm that looks beautiful! (i bet that was pretty hard (and maybe not even fun) for you since you are not even using vista/7... dang!)
I want this!
Suggestion: Chrome it up - let the nav-bar/player controls have access to the title-bar... I like aero - but not when it all it does is take up space (then again, i could just be spoiled from Google Chrome) :-P -
I'm sorry Michael, but did you just say there was nothing for you to answer?? You know there are hundreds of unanswered posts you could toss some love to if, you know, you're BORED! :-P -
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I don't think he's that bored, Laura :-P.
And I'm glad you think the aero interface is convincing, Michael. I'm not great with photoshop anyway, but I thought it was pretty tough to recreate the glass by hand. I have a feeling that they actually coded program windows for those Firefox mockups to get them so perfect looking.
As for using up more of the title bar Chrome style, I will give it a try. I didn't do it originally because the min/max/close buttons will be in the way and the awesome bar will have to get shrunk to make room for them. Also, if there isn't enough title bar visible, it might be hard for the user to move the window around. I think browsers like Chrome and Firefox can more easily pull off using the title bar for content because more of it is visible when the user only has one or two tabs open. In the case of this Songbird window, the awesome bar would always be up top, and I'll need to make sure that there is enough title bar for people to grab on to. -
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Ah, I considered doing that since many browsers seem to be heading in the tabs-on-top direction (and I do like the design very much). However, I think that it is a problem in Songbird that the browser aspect of the program is not contained at all; tabs that you have open are visible up top no matter what part of the program you are in, and I think it can cause confusion always having two navigational areas showing: the tab bar, and the service pane.
I even considered incorporating the tabs into the service pane, like they are in this Firefox mockup. Maybe that would be a good solution the the two-navigation-areas dilemma. Alternatively, I tried to come up with a way to get rid of the service pane altogether and just have horizontal tabs, like in JeCh's mockup here or LIB53's Focus mockup here. In the end, I made a compromise by compartmentalizing the browser into its own section of the service pane. I'm still not sure what would work best though. -
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Inappropriate?I forgot to post my actual comment.
Implimenting the vista look would help with Atreiu's Pure Player Simplcity skin I bet, maybe? -
Inappropriate?It turns out I did screw a few things up :-O.
I meant to show off the combined go/stop/refresh button at the end of the awesome bar, but I accidentally left the refresh button showing each time. I also wanted to mention a few things about the service panes, but I forgot to. There aren't any buttons for showing or hiding the service panes in the mockups (I made the interface cleaner by removing the status bar like they did in the FF 4.0 mockups and like Chrome and Safari did) but I can envision how they could work without having a status bar; I'm thinking I could put small arrowy buttons in the boarder padding the sides of the program window. As for the add-playlist button that is no longer there, I put a + button next to the playlists list as well as next to radio and bookmarks, so that they user can easily add content those lists. I posted a topic about this before because I think it can be confusing sometimes figuring out how to add new playlists and bookmarks and such to the service pane.
I also rearrange the order of contents in the main service pane, because I don't think they have a logical order in Songbird the way they are now. Playlists are composed of local media from your library, so I think they make most sense being under Library in the list. Bookmarks and Radio relate to the web, so I put them under Browser. I just think they feel more natural this way. -
Inappropriate?This is for you Michael - no title bar:

Now I don't think we can squeeze another drop of space out of this program window to use.
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Tim, is this the type of epically efficient, ultra-sleek app of the future you had in mind? :D I couldn't think of how exactly to use the other progress bar, so I know the control bar isn't really any sleeker than the normal one. -
ah, see, you took the text off the title bar but only a couple of it's pixels. I reckon the window controls would fit nicely next to tools if they were brought down a bit :) -
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Inappropriate?Mate that looks awsm :) The only 'drop of space' I could find was the title bar but I'm nut sure if messing around with that got ruled out?
I’m messing, generally.
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I'll see what I can do with it. I didn't move the awesome bar up too far because, unless the program is maximized, the user would have to grab onto the title bar to move the window around the screen. Maybe though, if I move the awesome bar up but leave some space around it on the top and bottom, the user would think of it as sort of a bigger area to grab on to. I'll try moving the window controls down as well. I was afraid it was like taboo to move them because people were so used to were they were located, but it would make use of that space really well. I was getting to the point where I was just going to put text there that said "Songbird" or something =P. -
Inappropriate?Well, I don't think we can make any more radical interface changes now =D. I lowered the window buttons as you suggested Tim, and I think it makes the title bar looks very nice and uniform, albeit a little unconventional. Then, I changed the refresh button on the awesome bar to a translucent go button, letting you know that you will be able to go to a library or web result if you start typing in it.
I put buttons along the the padding of the window for opening the service panes; having these here eliminates the need for the status bar, and I think they also make it easier for the user to open the service panes. The buttons in Songbird are currently placed right next to each other, rather than on the areas that the service panes come out of. If it is ever possible to have more panes, such as in this suggestion, it could be confusing knowing which button opens up which service pane.
Also, to show what the idea could look like that I suggested before about having the browser tabs in the service pane, I added the "Tabs" section under browser. I don't know if it is the best solution or not, but I am imagining using it, and I do think it would be an elegant way to access your tabs without having two separate navigation bars. To avoid confusion between the open tabs and the bookmarks, when the user clicks on a bookmark, it could slide into the tabs area to show that the page is open, and when the user closes the page, it could slide back to bookmarks.

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Inappropriate?Sorry I keep posting in here. I've just liked thinking about interfaces lately and I have noticed a few interesting things about them. It turns out this one was in front of me the whole time I was working on the mockups:

I don't know how I never noticed before, but Adobe did almost the exact same things with the interfaces in the CS4 applications that eventually developed in these Songbird mockups. The title bar loses its title, but actually gets bigger so it can hold the main buttons, making it feel like there is a hearty control panel at the top of the program. I really like how they branded the title bar with the program icon as well; maybe I could try that if I ever make another mockup of this in the future.
I also sought out a Windows screenshot to see how they approached it:

They even have the max/min/close buttons (although different from the standard Windows ones) centered in the title bar like I did in the mockup based on Tim's suggestion, so now I don't even feel like they are such radical changes.
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Inappropriate?I noticed this blog post looking through the blog archive and I was surprised that native-looking feathers had been discussed and mocked up before (I must not have been such a Songbird hound back in 2008). I wish the default feathers were more native looking, because I believe that all programs should blend in with the OS by default and then let the user modify it from there. The Gonzo feather gives too much of an iTunes vibe by using the OSX chrome on every operating system. At the same time though, I think people like the OSX chrome in Songbird because it makes the program look more like a metal appliance, while the mockups in that blog post for Linux and Windows can look a little flat.

I think that they could be improved upon, however, to achieve a compromise between looking native and looking more like a realistic appliance. Things like attaching the previous and next buttons to the play button give the interface a more mechanistic feel on every operating system. What do you guys think about having more-native default feathers? Even on OSX, where Songbird looks most at home, things like the scroll bars, preference buttons, and the highlight color aren't native. -
I forgot to mention this originally; here is a topic on having the default Songbird feather be more native: http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/t... -
Inappropriate?Okay, I think it is pretty much finished now. I wanted to make a few final changes, and I thought I would post the photoshop file of it so that people could move things around if they wanted to test anything out. Or if you just want to see all the layers that I end up having after making one of these things =P. I organized them all nicely for the occasion. It also seems fitting in a community for open-source software; if anyone ever wants me to post the .psds of any mockups so they can try something out, just let me know and I will post them.
Here is the .psd file: http://www.mediafire.com/?manzhy3hhdz

I added the Songbird icon to the top left to give the interface some branding, just like CS4's. I think it makes the window a little easier to identify when you switch to it. Maybe people could even change it for their feathers to make the songbird fit into to their design scheme. I removed the "Tools" and "View" text on the buttons, because I think people would be able to figure them out by icon, and Chrome doesn't have text on theirs either. It also makes some room for the awesome bar so it can be more centered in the title bar. I added some simple instruction text in the awesome bar so that people know what it can do. Finally, I changed the min/max/close buttons, because it appears that in Windows 7 they are (conveniently for this mockup) centered in the title bar rather than attached to the top.
One good thing about this interface is that I think it would be easier to skin using either personas or feathers, since the interface has larger, simpler surface areas. Especially since some programs are trying to make theming easier for everybody.
Maybe one day, if they release Firefox 4 mockups for OSX, I will attempt to recreate the interface for OSX too. I think it would look very neat with the OSX metal on the title and control bar, and like Chrome on OSX, it wouldn't even need the Tool and View buttons because the menu bar is always showing in OSX anyway.
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Inappropriate?I posted a feature request on Bugzilla for native-looking default feathers in Songbird: http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show...
Hopefully some of these ideas will help if the team ever redesigns the interface.
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Inappropriate?For those interested, there are finally some Mac mockups available: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_...
I must admit that I abandoned Firefox a while ago because it is just so slow on my Mac, and started using Chrome. But I think both browsers are very respectable. It looks like 4.0 will function more similarly to Chrome, but still has its own identity, both of which are great things.
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Inappropriate?I didn't know about this before, but the Linux ones have been posted as well: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Proj...
That Ubuntu theme for FF 4.0 really looks beautiful.
I'm not sure if there is an easy way to find out when there are important updates like these to the Firefox wiki, but this blog seems to post updates about theme progress, so I subscribed to the RSS.
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