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Make CD ripping / burning an Add-on!
Songbird has a big amount of distict features!
This is great!
I understand CDripping / burning is important for a lot of people.
For me it ain`t.
There are several reasons:
-A lot of computers do not have discplayers anymore.
-Features take up space: optical & memory.
-Some people do not know anymore what a CD is.
-There is a great deal of open source "stand-alone rippers/encoders" people might want to stick to.
-basically CD ripping burning is device support not a media player function.
So I think this CD ripping/burning can be a great add-on, I just do not see why it should be
In the core for all of us.
Keep up the great work!
This is great!
I understand CDripping / burning is important for a lot of people.
For me it ain`t.
There are several reasons:
-A lot of computers do not have discplayers anymore.
-Features take up space: optical & memory.
-Some people do not know anymore what a CD is.
-There is a great deal of open source "stand-alone rippers/encoders" people might want to stick to.
-basically CD ripping burning is device support not a media player function.
So I think this CD ripping/burning can be a great add-on, I just do not see why it should be
In the core for all of us.
Keep up the great work!
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I have added a artist impression of what it would look like. I have used a red font so you can see where i have added things. Green boxes represent buttons:
As you can see it is only a very small change. No clutter and no other entry required (no file menu entry)
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CD burning is one of the biggest turn offs for me from Songbird. Apart from the good library management tools ( Duplicate tracks, Missing Tracks etc ) I would be using iTunes.
iTunes allows me to burn CDs to listen to on my system and in the car. Also I hate to point this out because MediaFlow is such a good addon but Cover Flow is just more smoother and faster to load and the reflections don't use as much memory.
I really like songBird , and I am definately looking forward to the future when performance from addons and playback performance increases.
CD burning is a big step forward in the right direction. That is the reason I still have foobar on my comp, it can convert and burn .flac which iTunes still does not support.
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I think it made more sense to include ripping/burning support into a music program a few years ago when CDs were the main way people got music into their libraries and shared it with friends. Now, I think it is better suited as an add-on because probably the minority of people still need the feature, and the number is only decreasing as the amount of people who get their music from the web goes up. If the common methods of acquiring music such as music stores, peer to peer functionality, and ripping CDs are all available as add-ons, people will be able to choose their desired method of getting music into their library, which I think is the best scenario.
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I like to burn CDs of albums I like or make my own mix CDs so that I can listen to them on my high quality system or in the car. This is one of the reasons I was unsure if I wanted to switch to songbird or not. I know you can make a playlist and export it but that is too much of a hassle when I can make the playlist in iTunes and burn it at the same time.
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When were you born?
How can you even say a lot of computers don't even have a disc player anymore? If that were the case, how the hell does anyone install a game or play a movie on their computer? And stating that "some people dont even know what a CD is anymore" is just moronic.
Other than that I can agree that it could be an add-on. Doesn't matter to me. It also needs some 64-bit support. And no i dont mean compaitbility mode. I mean real, pure 64-bit support.
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I would definitely prefer that ripping/burning as an add-on rather than part of the core codebase. Those who don't want/need the functionality can then avoid the bloat.
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it could be a default or recommended add-on. but it should be a think that you can turn off or uninstall
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Inappropriate?it could be a default or recommended add-on. but it should be a think that you can turn off or uninstall
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Inappropriate?I think that its still an important option, especially if traveling with a laptop in a third world country where accessibility to computers or MP3 players isn't as prevalent as it is in the West. Isn't the whole point to share?
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I'm all for sharing, but don't think making it a recommended add-on is greedy, makes sense to me. ;-) -
Inappropriate?I would definitely prefer that ripping/burning as an add-on rather than part of the core codebase. Those who don't want/need the functionality can then avoid the bloat.
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Inappropriate?When were you born?
How can you even say a lot of computers don't even have a disc player anymore? If that were the case, how the hell does anyone install a game or play a movie on their computer? And stating that "some people dont even know what a CD is anymore" is just moronic.
Other than that I can agree that it could be an add-on. Doesn't matter to me. It also needs some 64-bit support. And no i dont mean compaitbility mode. I mean real, pure 64-bit support.
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in 1977 !
Netbooks for example are sometimes sold without a CD-rom
A lot of laptops offer the possibility to replace the CD-rom with a extra Battery
The MacBooK air I think has none .
Cell_phones with windows mobile......
Another point ;
People discover music on the web, watch movies on the web,
download software from the net (STEAM e.g)
Even amazon now offers DRM free mp3s
It is just a matter time until they offer a bundle CD+Mp3
And then there is no need for CD/Ripping burning.
I own about 400 CDs and ripped approx 300 of them
using another open-source application (i like that one too).
I bought my first music on LPs
later I had a MD recorder......
and all of that I can transfer to my computer_ i Just do not need my media player to know to do it.
I do not say there should not be such a feature.
But after having a lot of discussion on this forum about the "now playing" add-on
staying an add-on..........
I wonder why people think CD Ripping /Burning is a core functionality and a GENERIC PLAYLIST YOU CAN EDIT is not.
I would really prefer a smooth and fast and running NOW PLAYING over the
CD Ripping/Burning Bloat.
BTW: I do agree very much you about the 64-bit.
And If you think about CDs they will someday look like an Atari1040-ST looks now.
What about SACDs or BLu-Ray are these the features essential for your Mediaplayer on the computer?
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Inappropriate?but you still used software to rip 300 of your CDs. So why not to have this functionality in Songbird (as add on). I had to use iTunes (again) just to rip 1 CD I got this weekend - very annoying to switch from one software to another, rip in one, edit in other. I am not such a music fun to spend hours arranging my music - a simple solution in "one pack" will do it. Bring CD ripping and CD-PLAYBACK to Songbird!
I’m do it, do it
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I do want songbird to have this feature !
I just want it to be an "add-on" or "optional".
so people have a choice.
It is nothing that needs to be in the core. -
Inappropriate?so, who can build add-on? I do not have enough knowledge in any program language...
I’m puzzled
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This thread is about making this feature optional instead of including into the programs core! The good news for you is that cd/ripping.... is going to be included into the next songbird release ISAN,
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Inappropriate?I like to burn CDs of albums I like or make my own mix CDs so that I can listen to them on my high quality system or in the car. This is one of the reasons I was unsure if I wanted to switch to songbird or not. I know you can make a playlist and export it but that is too much of a hassle when I can make the playlist in iTunes and burn it at the same time.
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nevertheless, no harm in making in an optional feature............
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Inappropriate?i think it should be an installable feature versus an addon/plugin, as long as its based on EAC and not some other crappy software. EAC rocks!!!
I’m positive the addition of EAC will make songbird better!
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Inappropriate?I think it made more sense to include ripping/burning support into a music program a few years ago when CDs were the main way people got music into their libraries and shared it with friends. Now, I think it is better suited as an add-on because probably the minority of people still need the feature, and the number is only decreasing as the amount of people who get their music from the web goes up. If the common methods of acquiring music such as music stores, peer to peer functionality, and ripping CDs are all available as add-ons, people will be able to choose their desired method of getting music into their library, which I think is the best scenario.
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Maybe, but i think there are still a lot of people who rip CDs even if it is only very occasionally. If they can't do this in Songbird then those people will see Songbird as lacking a crucial feature and may switch to itues/wmp/etc..
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Inappropriate?Why not have songbird detect if a music CD is inserted in the drive. At this point a icon appears in the Left hand side (below Library, Downloads). On clicking the icon/text (call it "Music CD") songbird would show the contents of the CD with a button called "rip". Clicking the button would bring up the page for the addon OR for a complete integration, download and install the addon in the background before continuing to rip the tracks.
With this method you would just need CD lookup built in (unless you add a button for that too)
I’m hoping this is seen as a good compromise
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I ́m not so sure if this would really help.
I think it is a fair enough option to have it as a recommended add-on.
This way users installing the bird have a choice.
the reason for this:
Imagine the menu would contain: Lyrics, synchronize Ipod, synchronize Zune, Buy at 7-digital.Buy at amazon, Burn a CD,compress video for PSPportable, StreamRip.......
All these feature are usefull for a lot of people! Probably they are even essential.
for some......
Let all of them have a choice!
Or imagine, every time you plug -in your camera Songbird start to scan your photos, asking you if you want to use them as album art........
I`m not saying Songbird shouldn't have a lot of functions, it should.
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@ qways: Ok i was talking about one single entry just below the library and downloads link in the left hand side. One entry for CD only. The actual ripper is installed as an addon if needed. In my opinion people have come to expect certain features and if you want Songbird to become popular with the majority then these things need to be there or a very simple link to the addon should be there.
Thats all it is. This is not a snowball effect, I'm sure the devs are sensible enough to create a good UI that is not cluttered. -
Inappropriate?Oh and to go with my above post: For burning CD a similar system could be implemented whereby menu entries for "Burn to disc..." and added and when clicked for the first time the relevant addon is installed.
Let me know what you think.
My only concern with this approach is that feathers would then have to me made to work with each addon thus adding extra work for feather devs.1 Comment Add a comment
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the feathers point is a valid one, but still the developer of a feather shoud be prepared to include several menu entries that are different for different users.
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Inappropriate?CD burning is one of the biggest turn offs for me from Songbird. Apart from the good library management tools ( Duplicate tracks, Missing Tracks etc ) I would be using iTunes.
iTunes allows me to burn CDs to listen to on my system and in the car. Also I hate to point this out because MediaFlow is such a good addon but Cover Flow is just more smoother and faster to load and the reflections don't use as much memory.
I really like songBird , and I am definately looking forward to the future when performance from addons and playback performance increases.
CD burning is a big step forward in the right direction. That is the reason I still have foobar on my comp, it can convert and burn .flac which iTunes still does not support.
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Inappropriate?I have added a artist impression of what it would look like. I have used a red font so you can see where i have added things. Green boxes represent buttons:
As you can see it is only a very small change. No clutter and no other entry required (no file menu entry)
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Actually This looks very nice, and with a fully customizable sidebar obn the left.....
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it would be perfect if this menu point would just show if a CD is inserted.
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That would be good, but an option not to show again would be good too. Just in case the user didn't want to see it. There should also be one that appears when a blank CD is inserted with info about burning.
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I think this is a good idea... Let Songbird (core) be able to 'detect' and 'play' CD's, but have a visible add-on option to be able to rip it...
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+1 for your idea, boosh! That would be the best solution. \(^v^)/
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This sounds like the best solution to me too. Great idea, Rob.
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Inappropriate?As long as the addon is installed by default I dont think many would have a problem with it. The main reason it should be installed by default is because many non power users may not want to go through the hassle of finding an addon for something they are used to being as part of the core functionality of any music player.
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Inappropriate?I would consider CD ripping too essential a feature to simple have as an add-on. It is true that you can get all lot of music online whether it be from a bit torrent dowload or an online store. However it is still hard to get lossless formats like flac online even if you try and search torrent sites (since you must trust the quality of the rip). That is why i think it would be better to have CD ripping integrated since it is still an essential feature for many users.
I’m please give us eac...
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Well I think it should be optional.
If you combine your argument (well taken): flac support because of quality and
the other argument for core-integration: "less experienced user expect it to work, and have problems to look for and install an add-on"
You must agrre that : they form two completely separate groups.
You the power users would say wow now we have mp3-ripping but I want to have flac!! i still need another program. :(
If you would get Flac, the 2nd group would say : Hey my music files are now 20mb large I-tunes/Winamp do a better job.....I will switch.
The beauty of the add-on way is that you could have a "prime quality FLAC-ADD-on" and the others could get a "mp3-mobility encoder-ADD-on"
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@qways: The easy solution to get round the MP3 / FLAC problem you mentioned above is simply to have MP3 as the default (keeping the "2nd group" happy), whilst allowing for FLAC as an option. Surely two separate Add-ons will just be confusing / unprofessional and difficult to maintain.
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Really, the ripping solution doesn't need to as complicated as you are both making it out to be. Simply have the add-on rip the track into a temporary losses WAV file, then allow it to call an external encoded to create a FLAC or MP3 or APE or whatever they want. This is what EAC does and it works well.
More than likely the thing would be set up with a default to encode in LAME MP3, as that would be the most popular choice. But if people want others, they just need to configure the add-on to use an external encoder. -
@Quastor: Yes that is exactly the sort of thing i mean (i use EAC now so know how well this works).
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Inappropriate?I think this should be an add-on rather that integrating it into the core because Songbird is a web media player, and the "new generation of people" buy or download songs over internet rather than buying CDs
I still buy some CDs from artists I like but add-on (bundle in first run) should do the trick ;)
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If done this way I agree it should definitely be one you are asked to install on first run.
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Inappropriate?hmm, I cant say I agree with you when you said
"-Some people do not know anymore what a CD is."
Im 16, and I truely don't believe our world has become to technologically advanced that people ONLY download music,
and even if they did its near impossible to not know what a CD is unless your completely ignorant of any technological improvements in the last 20 something years in which case you wouldn't use songbird.
But yeah, a mediaplayer shouldn't have it as part of the core, but some people do like the feature, winamp for instance has it as a premium feature, unless the add-on is highly advertised on songbird main site or something, it won't be utilised as much as it would be if it was part of the core.
but whatever, I said I like it so there :D
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I was not really serious about the not knowing.....
I just overexaggerated to make the point,#!
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Inappropriate?I think the solution is to make it a recommended add-on just like the music stores and the radio as long as it doesn't slow down the process of ripping/burning too much.
I’m sure the Songbird team will make the right decision
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Inappropriate?definitely should be an add on. the functionality to have it in the core will only bloat the software. It makes much more sense to use the systems default CD Burning software. Maybe we should just have ripping. Get rid of burning. point wise:
1. Playback to CDs and DVDs - MUST!
2. Ripping from Discs - available as an option (Recommended Addon)
3. Burning - Not required! Instead provide a link to the default burning software (Brasero, Nero etc.)
I’m basking in the limelight of introducing my friends to Songbird :)
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Inappropriate?I don't think disc burning is necessary. That seems like something that should be delegated to an add-on or something. Disc ripping seems more reasonable to include, but I won't personally use it since I've already ripped all of my CDs and I do not plan on buying another one. However, I can see the value.
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Inappropriate?Yes, an add-on, for the very same reason as GeekShadow.
And no burning. This action becomes so rare today, CD are replaced by memory chips.
So, ripping as an addon, and maybe the playback capability, but directly linked to ripping (as a "preview" before ripping), not as a standalone feature. -
Inappropriate?I agree with having this be part of the entire package, maybe with a "Custom" installation option for those who do not need it. Though I use my MP3 player extensively all the music on it is from CD's i own. I often burn CD's for those who do not have players, many folks do not.
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Inappropriate?Whether as an add-on or a built-in feature. Songbird needs it. Preferably with a LAME mp3 encoder option.
I’m all for it.
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most probably lame will be included as mp3, it is opensource..
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Inappropriate?I think this is a great idea. Songbird is a modular system. It should use it. All that want to use the CD Ripping functionality can install a plugin to do it.
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Inappropriate?You can rip with open source CDex
it's light weight and has a bunch of encoding options like lame mp3.
You can also rip Flac, using these instructions
http://lee.org/blog/2005/04/26/how-to...
Just set CDex options to rip to your music folder and after you rip your music will be in your songbird library.
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